Phase transition water-Ice in CaeLinux
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						13 years 10 months ago				#5969
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				Hi
I wonder, is it possible to model the evolution of a boundary ( well, sort of,
since we are talking of the Stefan problem here,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_problem ) between two regions separating two
phases of the same material in Calculix or in Code Aster...?
I am not considering the convective heat transport in the ice-water interface only conduction with two different heat conductivities for water and for ice, in short, i assume that water is quiescent and there are no appreciable temperature gradients in water, or density is not a function of temperature, this simplification allows me to solve the heat conduction/phase transition problem uncoupled from the navier stokes equations for the fluid part.
For instance... in a cooling tube, immersed in water, a refrigerant passes
removing heat from the surrounding water, water freezes, but the heat rejection
rate is gradually decreased because of an ever thickening layer of Ice around
the tube, with a very low thermal conductivity.
Can i track the evolution of the ice shell thickness for a constant enthalpy
sink in my coolant tube...?
Best regards
Alex
PS : This problem can be solved numerically with a nonlinear differential
equation in radial coordinate and time, ( since i assume axial symmetry ) assuming cylindrical coordinates, and
an infinite Z extension of the cooling tube.
I just wanted to know if there is a way the FEA solvers in CaeLinux can solve this, or will I have to code this in Scilab, for instance...?
					I wonder, is it possible to model the evolution of a boundary ( well, sort of,
since we are talking of the Stefan problem here,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_problem ) between two regions separating two
phases of the same material in Calculix or in Code Aster...?
I am not considering the convective heat transport in the ice-water interface only conduction with two different heat conductivities for water and for ice, in short, i assume that water is quiescent and there are no appreciable temperature gradients in water, or density is not a function of temperature, this simplification allows me to solve the heat conduction/phase transition problem uncoupled from the navier stokes equations for the fluid part.
For instance... in a cooling tube, immersed in water, a refrigerant passes
removing heat from the surrounding water, water freezes, but the heat rejection
rate is gradually decreased because of an ever thickening layer of Ice around
the tube, with a very low thermal conductivity.
Can i track the evolution of the ice shell thickness for a constant enthalpy
sink in my coolant tube...?
Best regards
Alex
PS : This problem can be solved numerically with a nonlinear differential
equation in radial coordinate and time, ( since i assume axial symmetry ) assuming cylindrical coordinates, and
an infinite Z extension of the cooling tube.
I just wanted to know if there is a way the FEA solvers in CaeLinux can solve this, or will I have to code this in Scilab, for instance...?
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						13 years 10 months ago				#5973
		by Joël Cugnoni
	
	
		
			
					
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				Replied by Joël Cugnoni on topic Re: Phase transition water-Ice in CaeLinux			
			
				Hi,
if I remember correctly, you can do this kind of simulations in Elmer by considering a non linear thermal behaviour of a single phase (water in solid/fluid state). You need to define properties as a function of temperature and use enthalpies to define the state transition and latent energy...
I never did such simulation, but I think that you may find some examples on Elmer website.
							if I remember correctly, you can do this kind of simulations in Elmer by considering a non linear thermal behaviour of a single phase (water in solid/fluid state). You need to define properties as a function of temperature and use enthalpies to define the state transition and latent energy...
I never did such simulation, but I think that you may find some examples on Elmer website.
Joël Cugnoni - a.k.a admin
www.caelinux.com
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						13 years 10 months ago		 -  13 years 10 months ago		#5981
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				Replied by Alex on topic Re: Phase transition water-Ice in CaeLinux			
			
				Hi Jcugnoni
Thanks for the hint , but I'm afraid Elmer is not my league..
, but I'm afraid Elmer is not my league..   I have never used this software.. seems exceedingly complex...
  I have never used this software.. seems exceedingly complex...
What are the meshers...?
How does one define a case...?
what is the workflow involved in using elmer for an amalysis...?
What are the post processors..?
I can do all this in Calculix, which i am quite familiar with, or Code Aster... but I have never used Elmer...
Best regards
Alex
					Thanks for the hint
 , but I'm afraid Elmer is not my league..
, but I'm afraid Elmer is not my league..   I have never used this software.. seems exceedingly complex...
  I have never used this software.. seems exceedingly complex...What are the meshers...?
How does one define a case...?
what is the workflow involved in using elmer for an amalysis...?
What are the post processors..?
I can do all this in Calculix, which i am quite familiar with, or Code Aster... but I have never used Elmer...

Best regards
Alex
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